About ect.org
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Changes
If you’ve been to ect.org before, you may have noticed big changes to the site. I’ve switched over to a CMS system (WordPress) to help me manage the site more efficiently.
There were so many old files - news stories, studies, and so on - that were important to keep online, but they were all hand coded in straight HTML. The new system uses a MySQL database, so I had to find a way to import every item. Rather than spend many months trying to do it by hand, I came up with a series of scripts (Unix, Visual Basic if you’re interested) to automate the process for me. It still involved a lot of work, but it was a fraction of what it would have been had I tried to do it manually.
However, the process involved taking HTML code, stripping it down to straight ANSI text, formatting it into the proper syntax for the database, and finally, importing. So there are bound to be some characters that were incorrectly converted, strange typos, and other minor errors. As I see them, I’ll fix them. But in the meantime, you may run into an odd question mark that should have been quote marks, or something like that. If you’re so inclined, you may let me know of a typo or other errata by clicking on the contact page (located on the left sidebar under “About ect.org” and also at the bottom of each page in the footer section). Send me a note, but please be specific. I need an exact URL and some kind of description of the problem. General emails that say “Hey I saw a typo” are unhelpful.
That said, I hope the new system will be more efficient, and easier to maintain. The site has grown quite large and keeping up with it on a timely basis can be a daunting task. I’m pleased to announce that my dear friend and colleague, Linda Andre, will be an editor and regular contributor at ect.org as well. If you’d like to know more about Linda, please see the CTIP pages, link located under Affiliated Sites links on the left menu.
Also please note that the “added” dates on all of the older articles will be July 2006, because that’s when they were ported to the new system. However, the original article dates are normally listed within the body of the articles for your reference.
History of ect.org
I began ect.org in 1995, and it’s gone through many evolutions. Despite cosmetic changes, my goals have remained constant: to provide as much information as possible about electroconvulsive therapy for anyone who wants it, and to provide a sense of community and support for those who have had ECT, good or bad. It really is that simple.To learn more about me, my own involvement with ECT, and a more detailed history, please see the original “Why I created this website” page.
Who is behind the curtain?
My name is Juli Lawrence and I started ect.org over a decade ago. You can read more about why I started it by clicking the link in the previous paragraph. There are no corporations or other organizations behind me. I receive no funding to run the site, and run it out of my own pocket. I do accept donations to help defray the costs, and I sell Amazon books as well.
In the past, I’ve tried other affiliate programs and some Cafe Press items, but Amazon seems to be the most successful. It’s not huge, but every little bit helps offset my costs. So if you’d like to help out monetarily but don’t have spare money to donate, you can make sure that when you purchase books and other items at Amazon, go through this website so ect.org gets a small commission. I also briefly tried Google ads, and that was a disaster. First, I never made a cent, but more importantly, the ads were ridiculous. They either promoted pharmaceuticals in ways I considered sneaky and somewhat deceptive, or products completely unrelated to the site. I also don’t like the idea of cluttering up the site with a bunch of ads, so I quickly dropped that.
This site has always been - and will always remain - devoted to sharing information and providing support, not making money.
In the interest of full disclosure, I offer the following:
1. I have lifelong ties to the pharmaceutical industry. Members of my immediate family are either retired from the industry, or currently work in the industry, for one of the major corporations. They are “company men.” My childhood was spent under the umbrella of this corporation and I grew up surrounded by everything related to this company. To this day, I have giveaway products around my house, and on my desk: mugs, calculators, sticky notes, pens, backpacks and so on. I have personally profited - and continue to profit - directly and indirectly, from the profits of the pharmaceutical industry.
That said, I’ve never worked for the company and do not currently own any stock in the industry. My close family members do, but that’s their business, not mine. I’ve been privy to “inside” information that I wish I did not know, but it’s nothing that isn’t already available in books that expose industry practices. (The book I consider the best expose on the pharmaceutical industry is “Bitter Pills” by Stephen Fried, available at Amazon. It remains on my personal list of top ten favorite books.)
So, my “ties” to the pharmaceutical industry are by proxy, by way of family members who have spent their careers with the company. While I *personally* have been on the receiving end of the benefits of the most profitable (legal) industry in the world (according to Fried), I remain critical of industry practices and do not receive any funding from them.
This is why I am quite sympathetic to the criticism against President George W. Bush regarding his “ties” to the pharmaceutical industry. From what I’ve been able to gather from the information made available by fellow activists, his ties result from his father, the first President Bush, formerly being a board member with Eli Lily.
If he’s guilty by association, then I am equally as guilty. If you hold a person accountable for the career choices of family members, then yes, President George W. Bush and I share the same crime: we have ties to the pharmaceutical industry.
GUILTY!
Sorry, but that’s lame and I’m the kind of person who calls a spade a spade. Based on the information available to me, the attempt to smear the current president as a pharmaceutical industry hack is weak. There are plenty of things one can criticize about the president. His ties to pharmaceuticals are not one of them.
2. I have received monies from both state and federal governments, some while in my capacity as owner/operator of ect.org. The state funding came long ago, pre-ect.org, when I worked for an agency that provided medical and social services for adolescents in Illinois. Illinois tax dollars paid my salary. I also taught for two years at a state university, with my salary coming from federal and state money. (This was also pre-ect.org.)
Since the founding of ect.org, I have received expense money and small honorariums from the federal government, SAMSHA to be more specific. (Under Health and Human Services and CMHS.) I have given lectures and presented papers at federal agency conferences, speaking for myself and ect.org. The funding for my travel expenses and honorarium came from the federal budget, and therefore, tax dollars.
I also served on the committee that researched and produced the CMHS statement on electroconvulsive therapy. Again, my trips to Washington, DC were paid for by the US Government, as was my honorarium.
Additionally, I served three years on a federal advisory committee (we made policy recommendations), also within SAMSHA/CMHS and my expenses/honorarium were funded by federal dollars. My term has since expired.
That sums up my “funding.” None of the funding has been for the benefit or operational costs of ect.org.
However, I am currently in partnership with a friend and we are exploring opportunities - governmental and private - for research funding. If you hear of grants that might be appropriate, please let me know via email.
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I spoke with you a few weeks ago, but haven’t heard from you since our talk. Maybe I said something to piss you off ? If so I am sorry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please call me or e-mail me, so you can help me with my fight to get an attorney. I have my nuro-psyc test results now. The results show for sure that the 98 ECT’s gave me brain damage. I have a doctor who will testify ,but I need help from you !
Please let me know what your phone number is ?
Sorry if I am being a pain in the butt, but I want to see the doctor who did this to me fry in HELLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks , Barb 509-899-2677
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Hope your writing continues to influence others for the good.
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My 200 page book is out and being sold from my home address - we need a real publisher to spread the word.
It’s not about selling books at £9 or £10 its about helping folk find their way into a new and enlightened way of life using every day experiences to swing it all around - see life in a completely new way - as I have discovered for myself after 10 years living in West Africa and seeing this and so many childhood dreams come to fruition. Zen Mind helps to find its own way of doing - just sit back and watch things happen of themselves - Chinese Way - tsu-jan!!
i had ect from dec.o6 to jan.07 , now it is may o7 and I feel like i have depression again.
do I need matance ect ?
I stumbled across this website by accident and am truly shocked to discover that ECT is still being practiced in 2007!
I studied psychology in the 80’s and already there had been about a decade’s worth of longish-term studies on the clinical and cognitive effects of ECT on patients. It was concluded time and time again that ECT has no long-term beneficial effects and caused all manner of serious damage to cognitive functions and severe (often negative) personality changes.
I believed that as a result of these studies, ECT had been long dismissed and the practice abandoned. It beggars belief that there are still serious ‘professional’, well-intentioned people who still inflict such barbaric ‘treatment’ upon unwilling patients.
There is something disturbing about a profession that condones this kind of activity by cloaking it in a respectable veneer. Much like eugenics in the 1900’s, lobotomies later on or ‘ethnic cleansing’ in more recent times.
As much as we would like to think so, our world is not a scientific place at all. We are still living in a time of barbarity and superstition and dogma.
Perhaps by coming to terms with how this ‘priesthood’ comes into being and how it is maintained can we begin to counter the well-meaning yet destructive practices of powerful and ‘qualified’ professionals.
The trouble is that this issue only really affects the ‘dustbin’ of society. People who are struggling internally and are not so articulate, and probably have little influence or economic power. So most people simply don’t care.
Well done for raising awareness about the issue of ECT!
And you are right in your goal of course. It should be banned outright - immediately - until or unless it can be unequivocably shown to be beneficial in the long-term and even then limited to very specific cases as the ultimate last resort.
I video taped the:
Electroconvulsive Therapy
National Institutes of HealthConsensus Development Conference
June 10-12, 1985.
I have converted and edited the VHS to DVD.
I have given a set (6 disks) to Don Weitz and am mailing a set to George Ebert.
My wife and I leave for Russia on the 18th. I would like to mail a copy to participants:
Leonard Roy Frank, Peter Breggin and Judy Chamberlin. Could you put me in touch with them that I cold get a mailing address to send them a set of the disks?
Hi,
I am sorry to see that you’re a victim of this horrible crime. I’m sorry for your ties to the pharmaceutical industry. No matter where we turn, it seems, we all have that 6 degrees of separation. I stumbled across this site in researching ECT and other things due to finding that a distant, but connected, relative is active in administering ECT. Well, I am a member of the Church of Scientology, a veteran staff member, and as a person who works daily to combat the atrocities, I am living proof that this garbage can hit anyone in any way.
Enough of my situation. I mainly just wanted to tell you ‘well done!’ for your persistence on keeping this site up despite the repeated reasons not to. You have the truth, so you will prevail!
I had ECT treatments in November of 2006. I was at The Brdigeway Hospital in Little Rock, Arkansas for PTSD. I was robbed and shot at a funeral home where I had worked for 14 years. I was in no shape to decide on the treaments. Mr doctor said it would be good for me. I had two treatments. To this day, my memory still isn’t back(October 27, 2007). I would never reccomend anyone do this. It haunts me still. Don’t do it for Heaven Sake!!!!!!!!!!!11
iam on the receiving end of ect, i will undergo my last ect tomorrow. my head is still ringing.
ive had a weeks worth at the local va.
i’ve had a weeks worth of ect at the local va
and my head will never be the same.
i had ect after haveing my first child i was told how good it was and would maybe forget a few minor things like telephone numbers but they would soon return ireally didnt like the sound of it and it didnt seem natural to me doing things like that i was then told that if i didnt sign for it they would take my baby of me so i agreed it was really awful i can not remember any thing after ithow i got home people coming to see me nothing conversations after my next one the following week i can remember saying i felt like i was brain dead and didnt want any more and my professor said dont be silly nobody has ever been braindamagd by it you ave to have it done i was frightened so i did by the third time iwas like a complete zombie and it was like been in a bubble it was awful and the headaches and pains in my body was very painful when they took me for my fourthsession something in mhead said dont have it done so i said as they was about to take me down on the trolly i said no im not havein it done my professor said you have to and was really talking me in to it and the lady who takes you down said she doesnt have to we can not do it if she says no so i said no again and never had it done and i do believe that if i had it done again i would have been brain damaged or serverly damaged i get very angry because i think i could have refused it all along but they tricked me when i was very vunerable and probally have thousands of others i thinks it is wrong it has left me with realy bad short term memory loss its like brainfreeze you just go blank like when your tired and can not fuction properly its like that but all the time i would tell any body who thinking about it not to have it done unless it really is a last resort and if you are very vunerable and think that is the only option get your family to do as much research as they can and defently never have more then two sessions i would love to take it further but i dont think you can argue with professors when you have sufered with mentle health and i know they are very clever people and have helped a lot a people but they dont always get it right and i know i have gone but by stateing this i just hope i help some body dont agrree because you think you have to it never helped with the depression thanks for reading
I guess I am one of the lucky ones. After an extended debilitating depression with treatments including counseling, hospitalization and drug threapy my caretakers suggested I consider ECT. I was SHOCKED (pun intended)! I had no idea they did that to human beings any more!!!
I was educated on the process and the risks and then allowed to make my own decesion. As I could not live any longer in the condition I was in, I chose ECT. Maybe my doctor and staff are just miracle workers, geniuses, or God’s answer to ECT but after 22 treatments I am ME again! I have been well and back to work living happily as I once did for over a year since my last treatment. ECT and Doctor Steven Warnell saved my life and I will be forever grateful.
I know that your site is interested in testimonials from any and all ECT participants. Mine is a wonder story. Good health, Living the good life again, NO SIDE EFFECTS!
I do however agree that no one should be given this treatment without their informed consent My treatments were well screened and documented and took place primarily in 2006.
Thanks for your open forum.
Laurie Schonert
I had ECT 12 times, apart from a little short loss of memory, it led to a improvement in my depression.
Had 12 ECT treatments three years ago, depression has now returned. ECT definetley helped me then . I am going to do the ECT again
i’ve been having drug and talk therapy for bipolar for 15 years and have been severely depressed for about a year. lamictal, abilify, effexor and lithium aren’t helping at all.
the doctors are saying try m.a.o.i. patch and if that doesnt help the next step is ect. any help about unilateral vs bilateral, what settings on the machine. how often ect should be given and how long to continue. i have spoken to one person who had ect, she said “you’ll know if it is going to help after 4 or 5 treatments”. yeah, i am frightened of any memory loss, at the same time i need help. appreciate your site.
respect’
thomas
Ect should only be optional for anyone who is interested after listening to the pros and cons.
I had 6 treatments. No medication worked for my depression. I improved my mental condition 75%. Do I need more?
ECT has been the only thing that has worked for me. After treatments, I have side effects including being depressed, nervous, sore throat, jaws hurt, tired, some memory loss but not that bad. These may last for a week. I don’t see other people mention these. Am I alone in experiencing these side effects? I generally have a treatment about every 3 months.
I was forced to have insulin shock therapy at age 20 because of a suicide attempt. In Texas it is illegal to try to commit suicide and I was locked up in the State Psychopathic Ward, and had Insulin Shock administered against my will.
I am now 60,and have a lot of physical problems, and I have huge patches of time involving years that I have no memory of.
Is there any treatment or anyone that can help me?